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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?

by piztjw in

so in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.

" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.

to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.

Bloody Hotdogs!

Hi piztjw. I’m not sure there is actually a contradiction…

Today's WT references a 2007 issue when speaking of the ‘winds being unleashed’ and the ‘second sealing’. It says: “When the four winds of tribulation are unleashed, all of spiritual Israel will have been sealed in finality, even though a few will still be alive in the flesh and must yet finish their earthly course.”

The second sealing occurs when Jesus can reflect on the life of each anointed person and say ‘you have run the course to the finish, you have observed the faith.’ The second sealing is neither death nor rapture and will have occurred BEFORE the ‘winds of tribulation are unleashed’.

Then, some time during the tribulation, but before Armageddon, all remaining anointed ones will “be gathered to heaven” (rapture??) to receive their reward.

1. First sealing

2. Second sealing

3. Great tribulation begins (winds are released)

4. Anointed are gathered to heaven

5. Armageddon begins

BTW, this is all completely insane.

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Jehovah... created all things

by zound in

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new caleb video on jw.org called "jehovah... created all things".. the funny thing is, the parallell information in the recent awake that is aimed at adults is almost as simple as this, which is aimed at 5 year olds..

Bloody Hotdogs!

"First, he made sea life..." - shot of a humpback whale breaching.

Do they mean to say that the first animal life was a modern whale? That's like over a thousand, thousand, thousand million years early! Are they teaching kids that humpback whales predate land dwelling animals??

"... and the birds!" - shot of seagulls flying overhead.

Again, isn’t this like a thousand, thousand million years too early? Are they seriously implying that birds predate reptiles and land mammals??

"And do you know what Jehovah made next? He made all the animals!" - shot of elephants, giraffes, gorillas, tigers, lions, flamingos, peacocks, tortoises, antelope, chameleons, toucans, and an ostrich lounging about together.

Wow. What happened to the dinosaurs?? At least they didn’t show any domestic animals…

Sadly, this is almost word-for-word what the bible actually says. What the video fails to communicate is that JWs take liberties with the Genesis account: days are not days, sun and moon came before the earth, days overlapped, etc…

Why give kids such an inaccurate impression of, not just reality, but also what JWs actually teach? Shameful.

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DINOSAURS - INFECTION AND INJURY

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i've been dying to ask this question for years:.

jws love to say they are not young earth creationists.

surely, then, they must accept that dinosaurs lived long before humans and original sin.

Bloody Hotdogs!

So JWs admit that Jehovah must have personally created disease, infectious bacteria, suffering and death?? I guess that explains why we need such an amazing immune system! LOL

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DINOSAURS - INFECTION AND INJURY

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i've been dying to ask this question for years:.

jws love to say they are not young earth creationists.

surely, then, they must accept that dinosaurs lived long before humans and original sin.

Bloody Hotdogs!

I've been dying to ask this question for years:

JWs love to say they are NOT young earth creationists. Surely, then, they must accept that dinosaurs lived long before humans and original sin. So why did dinosaurs suffer injury, infection, disease, predation, and probably a lot of pain???

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HELP! Can God SEE the future?? How?? Is this predestination??

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

had a very long and frustrating debate last night.. .

jws like to say that god has the ability to foresee the future, but can chose not to look.

this, they claim, removes the problem of predestination/preordination.. .

Bloody Hotdogs!

Thanks for the help guys! The way my opponent went red in the face at my inability to understand, I thought maybe I was missing something. This person was adamant that choosing not to look, but having the ability to look, eliminates predestination. Yikes.

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HELP! Can God SEE the future?? How?? Is this predestination??

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

had a very long and frustrating debate last night.. .

jws like to say that god has the ability to foresee the future, but can chose not to look.

this, they claim, removes the problem of predestination/preordination.. .

Bloody Hotdogs!

Hi all. Had a very long and frustrating debate last night.

JWs like to say that God has the ability to foresee the future, but can chose not to look. This, they claim, removes the problem of predestination/preordination.

How does that work??

1. Does God look into a 'crystal ball' of unalterable future events? If so, can it not be said that those events are predestined to occur? If God chooses not to look, what difference does it make?

JWs seem to believe that so long as God doesn't look at his 'crystal ball', no one - not even God - knows the future. But if the ABILITY to foresee absolute future events exists, is the future not absolutely set?

2. Does God simply discern what the future will most probably hold? This is what I try to do when planning for the future, but the events I 'foresee' are by no means absolutely certain. No predestination here.

3. (This is an extension of #2) Does God tell us what He will cause in the future, and then make that prediction happen? Again, this is similar to what I do in my own life, it's just I can never be absolutely certain of my abilities. No predestination here.

What I need to know is what JWs think. Is it option #1? How the heck do they rationalize out of predestination??

Thanks!

PS: I’m an Atheist ex-JW, but I could never wrap my head around this one!

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I need some assistance!

by Kool Jo in

i just found out that a co-worker of mine is a ex-jw....she's being pressured to go back to the khall...she says everytime she goes to visit her family, they're telling her how jehovah still loves her...blah blah blah...thankfully she has her own apartment!.

i do see how her upbringing in the cult has affected her...she's soft and overly kind, but she's a real sweetheart...the down side: people take advantage of her.. should i tell her that i too am a jw and understands what she's going through with her family or should i just tell her that "spirituality is a personal thing and don't feel guilted into doing something you don't want" ect....the thing is, she talks alot and if i tell her that i'm suppose to be a jw, then the entire workplace will know.... what should i do?

my only aim is to have her not feel guilted in going back...she said her family has been trying to get her back in, but she's resisting it...the other issue, her son stays with her jw sister (she didn't disclose why)...and my co-worker tells me that her son is becoming a "jw convert".. please i need some advice!.

Bloody Hotdogs!

Hey (insert name here). I heard you're having trouble with family due to religious differences. It's sad that this happens in the 21st century! You know, I've had a similar experience. My family is part of a fundamentalist evangelical cult (never mind which one...). They've tried to guilt me into joining/coming back. But you know, I can't bring myself to live that lie - even if it means closer family ties. Living life with as few false ideas as possible is important to me, and probably you too. Do you know what my parent's church teaches? They actually believe in Noah's Flood! My father told me that once upon a time, four thousand years ago, there was a magic floating sky ocean that collapsed onto the earth, killing all life! Can you imagine? Why would I pretend to believe such nonsense at a time when science has proven otherwise? Nope, living that lie is not for me, or you. Don't feel bad, be glad.

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JW PODCAST THIS TUESDAY

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

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fyi: 'the thinking atheist' podcast this week will be on jehovah's witnesses.

should be fun!.

Bloody Hotdogs!

FYI: 'The Thinking Atheist' podcast this week will be on Jehovah's Witnesses. Should be fun!

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If you were to protest an Assembly what would you put on your placard ?

by Finkelstein in

since this topic of protesting assemblies recently came up, i was wondering .

what would be the some of the most proficient and perhaps strongest message.

to place on a placard to show as the people arrived at the venue.

Bloody Hotdogs!

Jehovah's Witnesses Believe in

MAGIC FLOATING SKY OCEAN

Do You?

Jehovah's Witnesses Believe

MOUNT EVEREST IS 4K YEARS OLD

Do You?

Jehovah's Witnesses Believe

HYPER 'MICRO' EVOLUTION

Do You?

and so forth.....

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Are JWs creationists?

by Jeffro in

if you believe what is officially stated on the jw website, jws are not creationists.

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the fact that the exact jw belief is in fact specifically called "day-age creationism" seems to have alluded them.

Bloody Hotdogs!

JWs love to say they're nothing like those crazy Young Earthers. They list two important differences:

1. JWs believe creation took place over much longer time period.

2. JWs don’t push their views politically.

What Witnesses fail to point out, is there really aren’t any other differences.

Young Earthers claim that the earth gets it's appearance of great age from Noah's Flood, which caused: collapse of the 'heavenly ocean', changes in radiation levels, shortened life spans, messed-up radio carbon dating, re-shuffling of continents over a few months, flash ice ages and frozen wooly mammoths, disappearance of dinosaurs, change in human and animal diets, carving of great canyons, rising of mountain ranges, all sedimentary rock layers, sea shells on top of mountains, super fast "micro" evolution, and so on....

Young Earthers also believe in: Noah's arc, angels, demons, God, sin, heaven, Jesus, human sacrifice pleases God, inerrant bible, 6000 years of human existence, nearly all secular ancient world history is a lie, and so on....

This is precisely what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.